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Plot: "At Pentangeli's compound ..."

The article currently reads "At Pentangeli's compound, consigliere Tom Hagen arrives and reminds the disgraced capo that failed plotters against the Roman emperor often committed suicide in return for clemency for their families ..."

My recollection of the film is that this conversation takes place at a secure government facility of some sort where Pentangeli is being held. Is there a better description than "Pentangeli's compound"? Is it a prison?

Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are correct. It's not "Pentangeli's compound", it's the federal facility where he is being held. I'll have to watch the movie again, though, to clarify whether it's a prison, or the military base where he was held during the trial. I think it's still the military base, because the FBI agents who were guarding him, find Pentangeli dead in the bathtub.

Good catch!

TheBaron0530 (talk) 15:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the film again, and consulted a transcript. Neri says, "The FBI has him airtight. He's on an army base, twenty-four hour guards". During the Senate hearing, Pentangeli says "I live - uh - in an army barracks with the FBI guys". Hagen clearly visits him in this same location. What makes me hesitate to edit the article is that I can't think of a concise way to word the change, and the plot summary is already well over the recommended 700 word limit. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 18:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Italy

I removed "Kingdom of Italy" after "Sicily" in the plot summary. Another user restored it with a pleading comment that this serves to inform the reader that the mafia arose as a legacy of feudalism.

Well, no. Merely mentioning the Kingdom of Italy in passing doesn't inform the reader of that at all. Neither is so informing them relevant summarizing the film plot, since the film makes no point about the mafia deriving from feudalism. Its only historical references along that line are a comparison to the Roman Empire and Kay's (dubious) remark that the mafia has existed for 2000 years. The plot summary here is longer than the general limit of 700 words because the complex narrative demands it, and it must be kept focused. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:9C8F:3820:42DD:9CC2 (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the user is still at it, I will add that editing an article to promote a personal interpretation of the film constitutes original research. The Italian monarchy is not an element of the plot. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:5C7D:EC69:1577:88E6 (talk) 07:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sigehelmus, you see to have badly misread WP:IGNOREALLRULES. It doesn't say "ignore the rules when you just dgaf", but ignore them when they prevent you from improving Wikipedia, and to date the only "improvements" you've claimed are:

"Informing" readers that the mafia arose as a legacy of feudalism: I've already addressed the problems with this above. No one else is going to read the words "Kingdom of Italy" and think "Aha! legacy of feudalism, etc." What you are really proposing is to "tag" the article to celebrate your own belief in that interpretation, an act of vanity rather than improvement.
Removing the "implication" that Italy has always been a republic: I can't regard this as anything but desperate nonsense on your part. The words "Corleone, Sicily" don't "imply" anything about the national government over Sicily at the time.

2601:642:4600:D3B0:7543:3A06:AD25:7F64 (talk) 04:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]